Vintage work crew photos

**bruce.desertrat** · Mar 1, 2023, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Toolmaker51

A necktie surpasses the 'danger' of long sleeves?
No, those are buttoned-up close.
How many of us worked around rotating or reciprocating machinery for decades without serious injury?

The incidence of workplace-related injury or death has been lowered enormously since 1900, largely because of regulations. Sure some of us have worked for decades without serious injury, but a hell of a lot of people haven't

From OSHA:

Worker deaths in America are down—on average, from about 38 worker deaths a day in 1970 to 13 a day in 2020.
Worker injuries and illnesses are down—from 10.9 incidents per 100 workers in 1972 to 2.7 per 100 in 2020.

Some historical info

https://www.clarklawnj.com/practice-...uries-america/

yes, THERE'S a reason we have rules against ties and long sleeves around machinery, and all the 'dumb bureaucratic rules and regulations', because US industry used to kill thousands and thousands of workers a year.

Yes working on a Carrier desk is extremely dangerous, which is why the Navy has strict rules, tons of safety gear, and constant training requirements for deck crews.

**Toolmaker51** · Mar 1, 2023, 01:23 PM

Not to argumentative, what of the daily 38 deaths circa 1970, reduced to 13 in 2020, ~1/3rd is related to lessening of a labor workforce. Not a lot of risks stem from cubicle walls, staplers and tractor-fed printers.
Personal observation of those sustaining various injuries (no deaths), all had a characteristic nonchalance "It ain't gonna...." Tip of the iceberg, most just plain idiots. Got away before, caught by instant of complacency.
That's watching in 55 plus years of employment and 26 year Navy veteran.
Never, never has there been a place more concerned about employees as *1; than insurance claims or costly survivor benefits. It's a gamed system, collecting premiums, denying payouts exempted by "We told you not to........" Wow, sonny you have a terrific resume, you'll run this 12' vertical lathe; but no, the 2000 lb capacity forklift is off limits until completing our safety courses.
Per Mike Rowe link above, fixated on 'DANGER is too late.
Safety is awareness of 'Potential'; well beforehand.
The administrative/ facilitator angle dilutes actual safety. Compare that with something like a military rifle range; that range safety man, barber or gunnery sergeant?
https://blog.sliceproducts.com/safety-songs

**Toolmaker51** · Mar 1, 2023, 01:53 PM

This pertains to this thread about historical photos of conditions and persons, resilient to say the least, while I keyed onto post No-2770 and date it marks, the animation of Eunice Hancock with this...
1942 Landis Tool Company "Better Grinding"

.....not 1943, 1944, or 1945.

**12L14** · Mar 2, 2023, 03:34 PM

About one and half decade ago I had a chance to observe older(maybe in his early seventies) t&d maker(mouldmaker to be exact) - he always wore a tie.
From what I heard it was(is?) norm in his trade - at least in UK.
Where I live and work, we are wearing same style clothes as regular machinists.

**Toolmaker51** · Mar 2, 2023, 04:19 PM

The oldest specialized tradesmen (i.e. Toolmakers vs Machinists, Cabinetmakers vs Carpenters etc) I'd met in relatively same era wore ties, and bowties, the oldest included waistcoats; just like so many early 1900 photos depict. Few wore brimmed hats or caps, some used beanies, about like welders do now.

All the rigamarole concerning clothing irks me somewhat; no mention as yet that of Women. I don't wear a tie, sleeves normally down (owning few short sleeved), shirt tucked; shop apron as often as not. No clothing related incidents but one, and minor.
How on earth was a lineshaft plant laid out to keep Victorian length dresses out of wheels and belts? Most multi story shops had apparatus from ceiling and through floor from below.