Hi all, I tried to post this response yesterday but I did it the wrong way dummy. I have not used a forum before. Thanks guys I will give the "Help Me Build" a go. I do have photos, I need to work out how to post them. Funny thing one little tool I built was for removing spark plugs from V8 engines with very little room. You could put the plug socket on but you could not get a ratchet on, it was in too far. An extension bar could not be used because even the shortest one you can buy (about 3") was too long. So with a spare 3" extension I cut the middle out and welded it back together and ended up with an extension bar 1" long that is perfect for getting those plugs out of tight spaces.