The house next door...or how to NOT build a house

**Frank S** · Nov 20, 2019, 09:13 AM

Yeah I hate the low rise wide step stairs to me they seem more dangerous than the only slightly steeper 7" rise. That whole short height riser code only came into existence because the person sitting on the panel when the codes were made up was only 5 ft 2in. just barely out of school so they still remembered being 4 years old and having to climb what used to be the standard height. with their little short legs.
As for the 12" treads that's fine as long as there is a 1 to 1 1/2" nesting from the next tread above leaving 10 1/2 to 1 inches
As I was growing up I often visited one of my uncles their stairs to the made over attic were 9x9 continuous for a 12 ft total height, and only 36" wide in later years once he nad my aunt got into their 80's they installed a grab rail on both sides. My aunt still climbed those stairs until she was well into her 90's
My shop will have 7x11 1" overlap with a 180 turn back landing but the only code I build to is Frank's

**jdurand** · Nov 20, 2019, 10:59 AM

I like when they asked if we had any idea what climbing steep stairs like I was suggesting was like. Um, yes, been climbing 7-11 my whole life.

Interesting they think 7" rise stairs are steep and yet anything less than a 10 foot ceiling is too short. Makes for some LONG staircases.

**IntheGroove** · Nov 20, 2019, 11:15 AM

Something like this...
https://yarn.co/yarn-clip/0664ac02-1...JB0EElX2B.copy

**Frank S** · Nov 20, 2019, 05:30 PM

10 ft ceilings means at least 11 feet from floor level to floor level and could be much more
yeah it would make for a long stair obscenely long with a straight landing half way up with less than 6" risers and 12 inch treads. still long even with an inch of tuck under for the treads.
9in x9in stairs are steep but if my Aunt could still climb them into her 80s before needing a hand rail it couldn't have been too bad.

**jdurand** · Nov 20, 2019, 07:05 PM

They made the Pit House taller!

**jdurand** · Nov 21, 2019, 02:14 PM

At least we have happy PIT workers.

Audio from today, they normally sing along.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SHj...ew?usp=sharing

**IntheGroove** · Nov 21, 2019, 02:30 PM

Sounds like a couple of worksites around here...

**Frank S** · Nov 21, 2019, 03:09 PM

yep they can't drive a nail without their sounds polluting the air.
I walked into my shop one day when I had a dozen employees only to hear 10 different radios blaring at full volume.
My wife knew what was getting ready to happen and went and pulled the handle on the main breaker shutting the whole shop down.
OK guys it is like this you can all have your noise to listen to while you work as long as I don't hear it in the office or in the machine shop area, but when persons driving by on the road 100 yards away hear it in their vehicles with their windows up its too loud. Now if you think you can listen to your noise at a reasonably low volume enabling you to be aware of sounds around you like the forklift or the overhead crane moving OK. if not you have 2 choices collect your pay or leave your boom boxes at home. Either way suits me, any one of you can be replaced in under an hour. Not a single one of you can hear the books playing in my wireless headphones while I'm machining but I can hear any of you when you call out to me or someone else. Six decided to collect their pay at the end of the day and there were 9 applicants show up the next morning. When the unemployment was near 10% and it was known that we paid double the minimum wage as a starting salary there was never any shortage of applicants.